Was the Church formed before the world began?

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The passage says, "...in the hope of eternal life that God, who cannot lie, promised before time began" (Titus 1:2 HCSB). The part that interests me here is, "...promised before time began." Where did Paul, specifically, read in the Old Testament, that God had promised this salvation "before time began"? Certainly, if we were to search, we would find references, but even if not, then we could assume that this truth was revealed by the Holy Spirit. Regardless, what we learn about God here is that He cannot lie, & that He'll keep what He promised, even if the promise was made "before time began." This passage also says that God had salvation in mind "before time began," which means, it was a part of His plan "before time began." We know that the Lamb was slain "before the foundation of the world" (Revelation 13:8), so, there are other passages that refer to this concept. Isn't there much that's inferred from this idea that God had promised salvation "before time began"? Or, even that the Lamb was slain "before the foundation of the world"? What did God see, or plan, so that salvation would be needed in the first place? Could God have conceived a world where salvation was not needed? If the Lamb was slain before it all began, then, at least in God's mind, did the concept of physical death exist? Obviously, God knows His own standards which flow out of His character, &, He knew that His standards would be too high for us & that we would not be able to keep them & that, due to His holiness, a Lamb would need to be slain for us. In Matthew Jesus said that God knows what we need before we even ask, well, here is a case of God providing what we need before ANYTHING even exists, besides Himself, of course!

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

2 Timothy 1:9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began

Revelation 17:8 The beast you saw was alive but isn't now. And yet he will soon come up out of the bottomless pit and go to eternal destruction. And the people who belong to this world, whose names were not written in the Book of Life from before the world began, will be amazed at the reappearance of this beast who had died.

Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain.

[Proa42]

Hurray!!

The Truth will out.

So now that we know the truth, what do we do say about seeking and saving that which was lost.

And, we know that Christ is the light that lights EVERY man that comes into the world.

So, if every man has/had that light, when did he get it. Perhaps it was when his name was written in the book, or it will get to him eventually regardless of who delivers it.

Hmmmmm, there is more here than "traditional" teachings would have us believe.

If we are to believe some accepted teachings we might had expected to the Bride of The Christ to be missing pieces had we not done our jobs.  Foolish thought, isn't it?